8 year old girl found dead in toilet

[DailyDriver]

When I said 'DNA' I meant retrieving certain fluids which would contain the DNA and be obvious that he did it, but I didn't want to be specific......

[DailyDriver]

Even on this Forum, whe knows what deviates are on here. Driving Fords certainly doens't mean your a good human being. Maybe having kids in this day and age isn't such a good idea.

[Racecraft]

Take a minute to think about the family of this young girl... Chances are they are still in a state of shock, not worrying about who did it, but wanting their little angel back..

Maybe we should hold fire on the debating and simply let our condolences and bewilderment show through.

Tragic event... Well done to the police for having a suspect in less than 12 hours..

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by turboute

I agree, it depends where it is found...

In this case I think it will be a bit too obvious given the charges and what has most likely happenned.

It said on the news that the brother gave chase. Theres an ID.

It said theres video footage. Someone is toast!

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

Take a minute to think about the family of this young girl... Chances are they are still in a state of shock, not worrying about who did it, but wanting their little angel back..

Maybe we should hold fire on the debating and simply let our condolences and bewilderment show through.

Tragic event... Well done to the police for having a suspect in less than 12 hours..

Well put Tibbo,

My thoughts are with the family and friends that are no doubt struggling today.

Also with those in the shopping centre, those that have worked along side this "boy".
And lastly with the people within the Livingston area.
(the fear that some will be felling is unthinkable)

[Outbackjack]

I predict that the peice of dog turd that did this will have had a record of mental issues that goes back to when he was poorly potty trained. He should have been in an institution of some kind, but slack government (read under funded) agencies have been hog tied by politically correct BS, and he has been left to medicate himself. He will probably never spend a day in jail, but might spend a couple of years in a nut house of some kind.

Now, where have I heard this before????

[Aussie_Geo]

I hear you Jack,

Sorry but I think there are some people that are just not right..... born evil, for those bleeding hearts I got two words..... James Bolger.

For evil to prosper all that good men have to do is nothing........ burn the bastard

Peter

[Outbackjack]

Yep, catch him (sounds like they might have already) send him to trial, then hang him. Mind you, burning him also sounds pretty good as well.

[LTDHO]

For instances the death penality should be bought back, however, people will think he is getting it easy and not having to suffer.
Others will think that the next 25 years will be easy due to free breakfast and bed with cable TV! He will not go into General public.

What is bad enough for this crime? Nothing.

Constant pain is not civil - however the family of the girl will be in this pain.

[Bobman]

What a disgraceful act, I agree with all said comments here.

I was shocked and saddened to hear about it on the news, people like this NEVER deserve to be given any freedom ever again.

I know of someone who bashed a guy who had been taking photographs of little kids in Melbourne, once the police caught up with him there were photos etc in the persons house but the guy who beat him up was given a worse penalty then the peadophile himself. What faith does anyone have in the "system" ?

[Feathers]

A 21 yr old "man" has been charged apparently.

[DailyDriver]

So where's God in all this? How can he/she let something like this happen? If I was the parents of this little girl, I would be asking these questions.

[CAMS290]

Yes a 21 year old man (animal) has been charged with her murder, i really hope he gets handed the worst kind of punishment imaginable.

A little girl that had the world and the rest of her life at her feet, so sad !

[gozza]

Originally Posted by DailyDriver

So where's God in all this? How can he/she let something like this happen? If I was the parents of this little girl, I would be asking these questions.

no offense but whats with this wheres god nonsense....

where was god on 9/11

where was god when a million tradgedes have occured....

im not saying he doesn't exist...im saying lets not scapegoat god (if he does or doesn't exist)for tradegies.

If your hypothetical daughter was murdered would you seek vengeance on god?

hes not going to say sorry.....you probly wouldn't even get an answer

[muppet]

Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

Where oh where are you getting this information from?? Anecdotal? Pub talk? Every state in Australia has laws where the child can give evidence via remote link or through the use of VATE (Video and Audio Taped Interview). Prior convictions, as in most trials, cannot be alleged until the accused is found guilty, otherwise the defence can argue prejudice. People in powerful positions that are pedophiles? I assume you are just making that up. If you actually go and sit in a court sometime, you will quickly learn that evidence is required.

I agree this death is incredibly tragic, but let's at least have some information that is based on fact.

As for the post that said "this kind of stuff is happening all over the country", well, thankfully it's not.

I get my information first hand unfortunatly. Have you ever delt with docs have you ever had to take youre child in to docs to do a video interview. Have you ever then been told that youre child will then have to go to court and answer questions (via video link big deal still the same thing) . My daughter was devestated once then she was devestated twice by having the video interview(that I was led to believe would be used as evedence) she was not going to be made to go through all of that again so this guy got of scot free. If I was you I would shut my mouth unless you have had to put these great laws to the test youre self . Do you like the idea of 8 year old girls being cross examined by the defence even though other people saw what happened and could give evedence .You can not use video evedence the defence has to be able to cross examin the witness. Fair enough but children in these sort of cases should not have to relive it over and over. The law needs to be changed but no one seems to want to change it . Not being able to use past covictions is a joke that should be changed as well . What someone should be able to do the same thing over and over and not have have it impact their trial.
Pub hear say HA HA HA(dont I wish) dont assume you know better about something than someone else unless YOU have put it to the test youreself. I have put it to the test but lucky for me and my daughter she is fine because we didnt put her through the legal system and put her through all that pain again and again.

I would not normaly react to a post like this but hay you hit a nerve. There might indeed be laws but they are far from being ideal. And it does happen everywhere you just dont hear about it.


The bit about pedophiles in high positions well I did get that one from the telly so shoot me but it was on ACA so it must be true.

[95frd]

great to see they cought this low life ...(21 yr old) ..

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by muppet

Not being able to use past covictions is a joke that should be changed as well . What someone should be able to do the same thing over and over and not have have it impact their trial.
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Muppet, it sounds like an awful set of circumstances upon which you have gained your knowledge of this area. I wouldnt wish that against anyone's family.

However, on the point quoted above - it is a part of "natural justice" and is integral to our system. If you're going to lock someone up and proverbally throw away the key, you should be able to do so with a set of facts that relate to the incident in question... that to say, the case should "stand on its own two legs".

Dont get me wrong - i agree 100% with your sentiments. Well, possibly not - its impossible to imagine how you must feel as a father (i am childless) but I think its important to remove emotion from a system designed to deliver justice in as many circumstances as possible. No matter how ridiculous it may seem to those motivated by emotion.

[DJL351]

Small update that may insite more arguement.

The offender is known to police. Was suspected of another sexual assault but the police could not find enough evidence.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by DailyDriver

So where's God in all this? How can he/she let something like this happen? If I was the parents of this little girl, I would be asking these questions.

Sadly, this is the kind of stuff that comes with free will. We really can do what we want. Sure, the Law is there to police this freedom so it doesnt harm others but everything on this planet is founded on humanity and therefore fundamentally floored.

This guy is an animal, thats for sure...The law will/should put him away for a long time. I doubt he will last long though...prisoners have free will (with in a confined space) too...

[70caprigt3k]

Yeah i hope the dude that did it gets repeditively raped and tortured in prison then killed in a slow torturious manner, even still it would be too leanient. It made me sick to hear about it and for the girl to be discovered by her 8 year old brother, some people do not deserve to live. My sypathy lies with the girl, the girls parents, brother and relatives for their sake i hope the bloke gets whats coming to him.

[muppet]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Muppet, it sounds like an awful set of circumstances upon which you have gained your knowledge of this area. I wouldnt wish that against anyone's family.

However, on the point quoted above - it is a part of "natural justice" and is integral to our system. If you're going to lock someone up and proverbally throw away the key, you should be able to do so with a set of facts that relate to the incident in question... that to say, the case should "stand on its own two legs".

Dont get me wrong - i agree 100% with your sentiments. Well, possibly not - its impossible to imagine how you must feel as a father (i am childless) but I think its important to remove emotion from a system designed to deliver justice in as many circumstances as possible. No matter how ridiculous it may seem to those motivated by emotion.

Thanks for that I indeed wish I did not know anything on this subject.
I do under stand the legal system and how it works I just dont see the need to put very young childeren through all the pain again when a video would do just fine. My comment was that the system is not right in these cases and needs to be changed to protect the children from further damage. They are apparently trialing a video only system in queensland for these sort of cases (or so I heard at the pub lol) .
I wanted to go to court with just the docs video just to get the bloke in court and shame him but the public prosecuter would not do it. There is one good thing about the law though my daughter can take this guy to court any time in the future and I made shure he knew that one day she would.
By the way my daughter is 12 now and she is very well adjusted and has no ill effects from her ordeal.I dont realy like talking about stuff like this but when I hear about it happening I get very very upset and angry but dont worry I have a very well worn punching bag hanging in the shed.

[DOC]

Bring back public stoning's with the parents / family to throw the first rocks ( no time for these type of animals ).

[AC/DC]

Scum of the earth, , , the death penaty is too kind for this type of person.

The Family should be allowed to inflict pain on him every day for the rest of his life. They should be allowed to do the following.

1. Break a bone per day until they are all broken.
2. Then pull out a fingernail every day until all gone.
3. Burn with lighter, a randon limb each day until all burnt.
4. Hit and Bruise each part of his body each day until all done.

After all the above are done, , start at the top again

Do this to him for about 40 years, , and other people might think about killing and raping kids.

AC/DC

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by muppet

I dont realy like talking about stuff like this but when I hear about it happening I get very very upset and angry but dont worry I have a very well worn punching bag hanging in the shed.

I can imagine. Well... as above, no - being childless, i probably cant.

But thanks for sharing with us mate.

[Outbackjack]

I wonder what the outcome of a referendum would be on the subject of bringing back the death penality for such low life pieces of worthless excrement. But what polititian woud have the balls to do it. None that I know of. And I know about us signing the UN charter on capital punishment, but almost every other country is ognoring some UN law or another... Why is Australia about the only country that lets the UN make laws for us.

Maybe a good subject for a poll and some discussion. Perhaps a bit one sided though. How many people would honestly want this turd get alive??

[Bucknaked]

For sexual predators, i believe the only solution is castration. How many of these people leave jail, only to reoffend. If you are convicted without reasonable doubt, the penalty should be castration.

[DJL351]

Oh please.... ziggee does not need any more ideas for polls.

[HTCURRY]

Not sure who I feel worse for, the poor girl who was so heinously killed or the sibling who saw her in that state. Without sounding heartless, at least the little one is gone, ans she cant feel pain any longer, unlike the sibling who will live with that sight for the rest of his life.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Maybe a good subject for a poll and some discussion. Perhaps a bit one sided though. How many people would honestly want this turd get alive??

I dont think someone who commits such a crime should deserve to live. But if you put me in a voting booth to say 'yay' or 'nay' at the commonwealth level and i'd say 'nay'.

For someone who confesses and pleads guilty - then i see no danger in removing life from their body. But if it comes down to a judge/jury making a call based on the concept of "without reasonable doubt" then no - i dont think its appropriate to enact the death penalty. The 0.001% chance that they get it wrong is too great IMO.

[rob_liss_lms10]

I think that a very important point has been missed here, Please, Please, Please ALWAYS accompany your children to the toilet. given this day and age it is so important and this tragic event has only brought it to light, I have NEVER let any of my kids go to the toilet on their own and this includes my sons, These days there are parents rooms in shopping centres where you can both go to the same toilet, guys if you so happen to be out with your daughters please use the parents room and go with them or use the wheely toilet and stand at the door until they are finished (this is what my husband used to do with our girls) trust me if people know why you were using it there wouldnt be a problem, my oldest was 17 before we let her go to a public toilet on her own and I dont regret that decision for a minute. I'm not saying that this girls family are to fault because there not, but I think we can all learn a valuable lesson from it
my 2c Lissa