AU XR8 S3 on gas?

[sednwol]

Any dramas re this guys, or sweet sailing ..220 Tickford? Any ideas re cost, I saw the thread re the 6, same price?

[Lukeyson]

i dont know for sure, but i think i read in a thread before the V8s are a bit more than the 6, somewhere to the tune of $1000 extra, but correct me if i am mistaken

[Pinkbits]

Basically, if you can not afford the fuel, you can not afford the car.

[sednwol]

Basically, if you can not afford the fuel, you can not afford the car.

I can afford the fuel (been running an 84/85 Fairmont XF Ghia on pulp) I am simply checking out the options. If money can be saved in the long run then that's even better.

[bazz]

You do save heaps with LPG. In the last 2,000km of driving, I only spent about $150 on LPG. An equivalent petrol version would have costed about double.

I travel about 25,000km a year. A fulltank of LPG (100L) gets me 600km around town. LPG costs on average 50c/L to fill, that is $50 per 600km travelled or $2,083/year worth of LPG. Even if I am pedal happy and got only 500km out of a full tank, my annual LPG running cost is $2,500.

A petrol version costs about $90 to fill 68L (around $1.32/L). Assuming 68L gets you 500km, it'll cost $4,500 in petrol over 25,000km. Also assuming 68L gets you 450km, the annual cost over 2,5000km is $5,000.

It is much worse if you use 95RON or 98RON petrol, or if you are pedal happy (less mileage) or if you fill up on the wrong day (e.g $1.40/L).

From those calculations above, LPG pays for itself in roughly 12months (25,000km).

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by REDXR8BLOKE

Basically, if you can not afford the fuel, you can not afford the car.

Depends on how many km you do. Most people who wheel out this statement come from the city and are lucky to average 10,000/year. My wife was easily racking up 40,000km/year but we still need two vehicles capable of towing a double horsefloat (in case one was away for any reason) .. hence LPG conversion for my AU V8 (non-XR8)
I'd rather be the guy driving his XR8 (long distances) on LPG everyday rather than the one admiring it sitting in the garage all week.
I'd be modifying that statement to "if you can't afford the third-party insurance, you can't afford the car" ..

[Orbit]

Originally Posted by REDXR8BLOKE

Basically, if you can not afford the fuel, you can not afford the car.

I think this statement illustrates you have a cranio-recto location abnormality. I think it would be advised you should think about weather or not you are adding value to a thread before posting.

V8's run really really well on gas.
It will cost a bit more to to the V8 then the I6.
I would advise you to get a gas injection system as you will maintain the same power and economey just at less then half price at the pump.

There is alot of info on this in the LPG thread, perhaps this thread should be moved to there.

[Pinkbits]

Maybe I should of elaborated more, but how many instances of people buying V8's and performance cars are there who then whinge about the price of fuel. I know i've heard a few.
I have nothing against LPG, my work vehicle runs on it and so does my project car. Other vehicles I have owned have also run duel fuel.
As for people driving with no third party insurance, don't get me started on that one.

[DJM83]

Once bitten twice shy i think thats how it goes with LPG i had 2 cars on LPG and ill never own another one again

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by REDXR8BLOKE

Basically, if you can not afford the fuel, you can not afford the car.

NOOOO, I think everyone should own a car that sucks so much juice they cant afford to run it.
edit: If you cant afford the repayments you cant afford the car! (but that dont mean you shouldnt get it anyway!)

[loxxr6]

How much do you lose out performance wise with just a run of the mill LPG conversion anyway ?

[bazz]

I don't know, but my facotory LPG is very smooth for my driving habbit. The spec for the LPG is 143kW @ 4500rpm, 362Nm @ 2750rpm.

The petrol equivalent is 157kW @ 4900rpm, 357Nm @ 3000rpm.

As you can see, LPG makes good power and better torque down low, probably due to the higher octane.

It drinks about 15L-16L per 100km around town and 9L on the freeway. On a 100L tank of LPG, that is alot of mileage for very little cost.

[JC]

Originally Posted by loxxr6

How much do you lose out performance wise with just a run of the mill LPG conversion anyway ?

I have the mixer ring conversion on my XR8 and lost a whole 6rwkw. Currently, I am just laughing all the way to and from work, as my fuel bill has more than halved.

LPG injection for an 8 is around $4000, with mixer ring conversion running at about $3000 (maybe more, maybe less, depending on city you are in, parts supplier - GRA/Vialle etc).

An 220kw XR8 on mixer ring conversion would be close to a criminal action, but on sequential injection, or whatever it's called, it's just an alternate, cheaper fuel that gives just as much go as the traditional fossil fuel.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

edit: If you cant afford the repayments you cant afford the car! (but that dont mean you shouldnt get it anyway!)

hahaha i agree

[Bucknaked]

I can't understand what the problem is with LPG. Its a cheaper alternative fuel which you can use on cars. I don't care how good or bad it is on the engine (like engines are built to last for ever anyway). Regardless of whether you can afford the fuel or not, getting twice the distance on the same cost, I can't see anything wrong with that. Makes you want to drive your car more, and you can because you have more money. Plus the money you save, could be put into paying off your mortgage quicker. An extra $50 a week extra on your home loan wouldn't be such a bad thing.

I can't wait until they do a V8 E-Gas Version.

[ReVd_uP]

leave the 220 alone, spend the money on something like a fuel miser KC laser or similar, make it your daily, keep the xr for the weekends, with the quality of LPG getting around ( and the amount of LPG falcons that come into my work on tow trucks) i think its more trouble than its worth, but like i say all the time, to each his own

[xd5.8l]

Leave the 220 kw alone! if you want to wreck an engine go 200 kw or prefferably a 185 kw series 1 xr8. Unless its injector fed forget it.

[galaxy xr8]

This is the reason why I have a little Laser to run around with BUT the cost of fuel still hurt's, anybody who say's it doesn't is kidding themselves or they have a company fuel card and shouldn't be commenting in this thread because they suck, lol.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by xd5.8l

Leave the 220 kw alone! if you want to wreck an engine go 200 kw or prefferably a 185 kw series 1 xr8. Unless its injector fed forget it.

And why leave a 220 alone but wreck a 200 hey????.

[xd5.8l]

I take that one back sorry GALAXY XR8, should ONLY be allowed to use basic crate motor 185kw.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by xd5.8l

I take that one back sorry GALAXY XR8, should ONLY be allowed to use basic crate motor 185kw.

Apology accepted but now you will have a lot of E-series owner's chassing you, lol. :

[sednwol]

My wife has the 4, I get the 8 , that's the way it should be...right!

[TURBOTAXI]

can we all stop telling people how good gas is? Keep it in the dark.

LPG is crap, dont get it, its horrible, causes lots of problems etc.....

Remember, low demand = low cost.

[sednwol]

Interesting how some swear by it others say it wrecks you engine.

[GK]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I can't understand what the problem is with LPG. Its a cheaper alternative fuel which you can use on cars. I don't care how good or bad it is on the engine (like engines are built to last for ever anyway). Regardless of whether you can afford the fuel or not, getting twice the distance on the same cost, I can't see anything wrong with that. Makes you want to drive your car more, and you can because you have more money. Plus the money you save, could be put into paying off your mortgage quicker. An extra $50 a week extra on your home loan wouldn't be such a bad thing.

I can't wait until they do a V8 E-Gas Version.

Wonderfully put! I agree!

GK

[GK]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

This is the reason why I have a little Laser to run around with BUT the cost of fuel still hurt's, anybody who say's it doesn't is kidding themselves or they have a company fuel card and shouldn't be commenting in this thread because they suck, lol.

My 95 Laser 1.8 5 speed used 8 litres per 100 to and from work.

My 98 Futura on gas uses 14 litres per 100 to and from work.

8x $1.40 OR 14x$55 $11.20 OR $7.70

$14 per week saving, times 40 weeks of work driving (I'm a teacher) = $560 per year. That's without going on holidays to Sydney and Junee! That's without weekend driving!

GK

[OldManGhia]

Originally Posted by TURBOTAXI

can we all stop telling people how good gas is? Keep it in the dark.

LPG is crap, dont get it, its horrible, causes lots of problems etc.....

Remember, low demand = low cost.

I agree, keep it in the dark and keep the cost down......lol

[GK]

Originally Posted by GK

My 95 Laser 1.8 5 speed used 8 litres per 100 to and from work.

My 98 Futura on gas uses 14 litres per 100 to and from work.

8x $1.40 OR 14x$55 $11.20 OR $7.70

$14 per week saving, times 40 weeks of work driving (I'm a teacher) = $560 per year. That's without going on holidays to Sydney and Junee! That's without weekend driving!

GK

I forgot to add that the SR on petrol uses 10 litre per 100.

Therefore 10x1.40 = $14.00 OR $7.70 = $25.20 per week x 40 weeks

= $1008 per year without weekend savings! Not bad I reckon!

If it was driven that distance for 52 weeks the saving would be $1310.40

GK

[mik]

Originally Posted by ReVd_uP

leave the 220 alone, spend the money on something like a fuel miser KC laser or similar, make it your daily, keep the xr for the weekends, with the quality of LPG getting around ( and the amount of LPG falcons that come into my work on tow trucks) i think its more trouble than its worth, but like i say all the time, to each his own

funny you should mention dodgey gas, my mates work utes had some problems with shell gas, excessive wax i think, hard starting etc any one else have this problem?? , i had a dodgey batch from an independant myself but you can get dodgey petrol as well, i would still happily have gas but prefer straight gas, not big on duel fuel.

[jspec_sti]

agree LPG is more economical, blah, blah blah

But ask yourself - do you really want to do it to a handbuilt Tickford engine?