maybe another esky owner!

[WIKIDSTIX]

arghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im stuck between a rock and something. lol

i really wanna get a mk2 rs2000, but i dunno if i should get an eb-d xr6, lj torana, the list goes on :P

i wanna get the rs coz their cheaper to run, and theyve got heaps of potensial. i see em going for about 5-10,000. or maybe a normal 2ltr mk2

now my question hehehe

does anyone know if you can just buy the front of an rs2000, so if i found a nice esky i could just put the rs2000 front on it. i know you can buy em over in the uk but i dont think their cheap. any where in aus?

any ideas?

dan

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by wikid_sticks

arghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im stuck between a rock and something. lol

i really wanna get a mk2 rs2000, but i dunno if i should get an eb-d xr6, lj torana, the list goes on :P

i wanna get the rs coz their cheaper to run, and theyve got heaps of potensial. i see em going for about 5-10,000. or maybe a normal 2ltr mk2

now my question hehehe

does anyone know if you can just buy the front of an rs2000, so if i found a nice esky i could just put the rs2000 front on it. i know you can buy em over in the uk but i dont think their cheap. any where in aus?

any ideas?

dan

Get the Esky, you know you wanna, you'll love it, trust me!

You can put the front nosecone from a Mk II RS2000 onto the front of a "normal" Esky, I'm not sure how much work is involved or how hard it would be to get a RS2000 nosecone, but I know it can be done.

Personally, I'd just try and get a 2 door Mk II and make it into an RS1800 replica - easier, cheaper and more unique. All that would be involved then would be adding the front and rear spoilers (if it doesn't already have them), round headlights and a replacement grill (again, only required if it doesn't already have them - ie if it has the square headlights). The RS1800 has more of a race history behind it then the RS2000, and I think it looks better, there is also the fact that people are more likey to underestimate it if it doesn't look like an RS2000, and also it's less likely to be a target for theifs. More information on the RS1800 can be found at http://www.turbocharger.co.uk/rs-mk2-rs1800.html

But yeah, if you really prefer the looks of the RS2000, you can make a "normal" Escort look like that. And there isn't really that much difference between the RS and the "normal" Escorts asides from looks, there are a few mechanical differences, but nothing that you couldn't change to RS spec (or better) without spending the sort of money a good RS2000 fetches these days in total for the Escort + parts + any work you couldn't do yourself.

[WizBang]

I helped a mate about 6 years ago to put the RS2000 on a panle van and paint it the old Sundowner colours and it looked hot and it wasn't that hard ,I'll see if he has still got the photos but the car is still on the road around Rockingham

[Timmeh]

Good luck with your choice, I have never regretted getting my RS2000!

Tim

[rag top]

RS2000 nose cone will also require RS guards and an RS bonnet. The guards are also spotwelded on.

I'd prefer the look of an RS1800 flat front replicar over an RS2000 replicar.

[WIKIDSTIX]

thanx for the responses fellas

yeh i think your making up my mind about getting an esky.

dont get me wrong, i like the rs1800 look but im after a the rs2000 look, mainly because its sportier, and more of a head turner IMO. my plan is to make up a bonnet like this :sm_drool: (well i want my whole car to look like this) lol



i was also thinkin, because i see more normal escorts done up, itd be easier to find one without/little rust. and just put the rs nose on.

what was involved wazza? how did your mate get all the parts? id love to see some pics

[LuvinmyEB]

Buy an Esky, they're head turners that's for sure. Use hardly any fuel and look damn sexy.

They leave other cars standing still at the lights too. :newangel:

The amount of comments and people stopping to have a look at my Mk I really surprised me when I got it. The Commy drivers don't like it when you can keep up with them then pass them in a 1300 either. :

A 2.0L will get the jump on anything too. Not that I do things like that in our Esky's. :monkes:

I hope you find what your looking for, if you go to the RSOCV site, you might find something for sale. Have a look at The Maddestmans sig for the URL. ;)

[T3man]

Go for a genuine RS2000 - mucking around trying to fit the guards and nose cone is for the birds. A genuine RS is always going to be worth more than a copy any day. Anyhow, RS bonnets are just about extinct now so that is going to be your first problem if you try to do a conversion. As for being economical on fuel - I don't think so! Mine generally uses as much fuel as my T3, except on a long highway trip. My EF wagon used less fuel than the Esky in ALL driving conditions.

PS I have a partly damaged RS bonnet and nose cone if you are really intent on going this way ... came off a speedway car and it's just in the shed collecting dust.

[Timmeh]

Originally Posted by T3man

As for being economical on fuel - I don't think so! Mine generally uses as much fuel as my T3, except on a long highway trip. My EF wagon used less fuel than the Esky in ALL driving conditions.

Correct. My RS2000 only got about 300kms out of a tank of fuel driving on the highway from Brisbane to Newcastle! Bwaaaaarp!

:eclipsee_

Tim

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Interesting... My 2.0L Escort easily uses less fuel in all conditions then the EB Falcon - although I can't help but wonder how much of that is because the Escort is manual and the Falcon auto...

But also driving style comes into it too - if your tacho needle spends most of it's time above 3,000 RPM, obviously you'll end up using more fuel.

wikid_sticks, a quick question, have you ever driven an Escort?

[RSgerry]

T3man is spot on. dont waste your time trying to create a replica RS. To start with, you will need guards, bonnet and nosecone. the guards are about 4 inches shorter on the RS to accomodate the nose cone. just bolting teh nose cone on (if you can) will make the car look too long in the front. as for bonnets, good luck. you will be looking at about $200 for a half decent one. and you will still have to get some repairs done and get it painted.

maddestman, i dont believe my RS actually has an engine speed less than 3000rpm :-)

[Damo]

there's an RS2000 in this weeks Trading post (melb) for 3k.

I doubt they'd leave any decent commodore or Falcon at the lights though, maybe for the first 50 metres.

Get an XR6! Manual!

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by RSgerry

maddestman, i dont believe my RS actually has an engine speed less than 3000rpm :-)

lol, maybe so, but you wouldn't be expecting brilliant fuel economy then would you, haha
Mine only ever sees 3000rpm on the freeway (damn 4 speed, I need a 5 speed damnit!) or when I'm going for a gap in traffic, otherwise most of the rest of the time it's somewhere between 1500rpm and 2500rpm - at least, until after the engine has been rebuilt and run in properly... :newangel:

Originally Posted by Damo

I doubt they'd leave any decent commodore or Falcon at the lights though, maybe for the first 50 metres.

Get an XR6! Manual!

You might be suprised. They don't weigh all that much (under 1000kgs) and have a minimum 3.5:1 diff ratio (2.0L Escorts usually have a 3.5:1 diff, others have 3.7:1 or even 4.1:1), so they can launch suprisingly hard. Sure, over the 1/4 mile I wouldn't expect a win, but from the lights up to 60km/h, well that's a different story. I know that a 2.0 Escort will have no problems showing a clean set of tail lights to any stock auto E series 6's up to 100km/h. Of course, it would be a lot closer if it was a manual XR Falc, but even then, if the Falc driver isn't quick enough, or stuffs up a gear change, he could still see the tail lights before he flies past.

Some of the videos on http://rs2000.mine.nu/site/home/escort/videos/index.htm show what I mean, particularly http://rs2000.mine.nu/videos/RS2000_...g_V8s_Divx.zip (29.4 MB) or http://rs2000.mine.nu/videos/Orange_MK2_Drag.zip (1.3 MB)

One day I'll take my Escort to Calder park - I'd love to see what sort of 60' times I get out of it.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by LuvinmyEB

A 2.0L will get the jump on anything too. Not that I do things like that in our Esky's. :monkes:

Asides from a Datsun 1600 SSS (like you used to have), from what I've heard and read they'd give a stock 2.0L Escort a flogging! But there aren't many of those getting around anymore, at least not that I see.

But yeah, they can cover the first 60' or so pretty damn quickly, as that supercharged VY commode discovered a few months back now - he looked pretty shocked!

[WIKIDSTIX]

thanx for the replys

ive never driven one :( but my brothers mate used to have a mk2 2ltr and i know their quick. my old man told me about how his mate used to have a turboed rs back in the 80's and how he said it was awesome. so i think that convinced me.

ive always had a thing for rs2000's, especially ones with xb/c flutes :sm_drool:, also i was thinking that the insurance would be cheaper on an rs2000 than an xr6. and i like the idea of a small project.

ive already been to most mk2 escorts pages, besides the video clips. ill have to go to my mums 2moz coz ive only got 56k, i cant wait to watch em. i remember watching this turbod esky on a track. it was one of the most awesome things ive seen, everytime he gave it a bootfull itd go sideways :sm_drool: maybe a clip off that site.

i think ive made up my mind about the rs2000 and not the replica. to much of a hassle, and the rs will be worth more in the long run.

about the fuel comments, i think im gonna have to convert it to a 5sp, well lately ive seen a couple in the paper with 5 speeds already in em. not a big deal.

a couple of q's

has anyone compared an lj torana to an escort.

ill be 19 when i get the escort (a couple of months), whats insurance like, compared to the xr6?

i think all thats needed now is a test drive :P

[T3man]

Originally Posted by wikid_sticks

thanx for the replys

a couple of q's

has anyone compared an lj torana to an escort.

ill be 19 when i get the escort (a couple of months), whats insurance like, compared to the xr6?

i think all thats needed now is a test drive :P

Isn't an LJ Torana made by Holden? What is there to compare?

When I had my RS insured for my son to drive it was pretty horrendous. That was a few years back so can only be worse now. I'd hazard a guess and say about the same as an XR6. You can do an online quote thingie at NRMA ... try nrma.com.au

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by T3man

Isn't an LJ Torana made by Holden? What is there to compare?

When I had my RS insured for my son to drive it was pretty horrendous. That was a few years back so can only be worse now. I'd hazard a guess and say about the same as an XR6. You can do an online quote thingie at NRMA ... try nrma.com.au

That's the great thing about a non-RS Escort, insurance is a LOT cheaper...

[LuvinmyEB]

Damo, you & me, Calder, we'll see who gets the jump on who ok?

You always have something to say about anything I post, you may get to the end of the quater before me, but I know damn well I'll get the jump on you, and as far as I'm concerned when you see the other cars tail lights it's GAME OVER! :

I'm so bloody sick of the car snobbery around here. :

[Damo]

Haha, you guys really love your Escorts, I like them too. Sure you might beat auto Falcons, Commodores off the line, as I said about 50 metres, but so would most small manual cars. Don't get me wrong i'm not bagging the esky, you guys make out like they're the ultimate street racer. A Manual Falcon would wipe the floor with an Escort.

LOL car snobbery ? My post was directed at wicked_sticks, I was just reminding him of the other options he suggested in his first post. Remember Escorts are OLD and most will require a bit of work, to get running reliably. A nice EB-ED XR6 with low k's would be a great daily driver. You and madesman read way too much into my post. Take a chill pill.

Whatever your choice, good luck with it wicked_sticks.

[T3man]

Originally Posted by Damo

Haha, you guys really love your Escorts, I like them too. Sure you might beat auto Falcons, Commodores off the line, as I said about 50 metres, but so would most small manual cars. Don't get me wrong i'm not bagging the esky, you guys make out like they're the ultimate street racer. A Manual Falcon would wipe the floor with an Escort.

Hmmm, roads aren't straight for very far. I haven't met a Falcon yet that can keep up with my RS on a mountain road.

Escort v Falcon ... Escort wins the jump, Falcon catches up, first corner looms, bye bye Falcon, Escort's outa here and goooooone

[RSgerry]

Originally Posted by Damo

I doubt they'd leave any decent commodore or Falcon at the lights though, maybe for the first 50 metres.

Get an XR6! Manual!

LOL. it is a pity we arent in the same state Damo, i could give you a practical lesson in the wonderful concept of the power to weight ratio. mind you, i am sure you will find plenty of Escort owners in Vic who would be only too happy to help. :evil_laug

my largely stock RS with only 130 hp has had more than a couple of 6 cylinder scalps in traffic light derbies. and it lasted more than 50 metres too. but it is getting more power shortly....

Escort love nothing better than the '****y Escort' mentality that so many other car owners have. if only i had $1 for every six pot screamer i have 'owned'. i am not having a go mate, just trying to set the record straight a bit.

[Damo]

haha, **** **** ****. I like Escorts too. You all missed the point of my original post. I wasn't bagging Escorts or saying they were slow, I admitted they'd get the jump on most larger cars. I didn't actually realise this was in the escort/sierra section, the guy mentioned XR6's and Toranas too.

meh, why am I even arguing this point. Yeah Escorts would haul *** through twisties, and the upper scale models, RS 2000's would get a good jump on most Larger Falcons commodores, stock! I never said they wouldn't. Get over it people!

As i said good luck with what ever you decide on wicked_sticks, I don't really see the need for any more posts 'trying' to argue with me, as it's a dead argument, I sugested an XR6. Read my original post. No need to get all defensive.

Damo :P

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Damo

Haha, you guys really love your Escorts, I like them too. Sure you might beat auto Falcons, Commodores off the line, as I said about 50 metres, but so would most small manual cars. Don't get me wrong i'm not bagging the esky, you guys make out like they're the ultimate street racer. A Manual Falcon would wipe the floor with an Escort.

LMAO! If you say so, obviously you won't budge from your belief that an Escort is slower then a Falcon, and if you wish to continue with that deluded thinking, go right on ahead. But please forgive me and a few others who know better for laughing at you if you continue to kid yourself like that.

Originally Posted by Damo

haha, **** **** ****. I like Escorts too. You all missed the point of my original post. I wasn't bagging Escorts or saying they were slow, I admitted they'd get the jump on most larger cars. I didn't actually realise this was in the escort/sierra section, the guy mentioned XR6's and Toranas too.

meh, why am I even arguing this point. Yeah Escorts would haul *** through twisties, and the upper scale models, RS 2000's would get a good jump on most Larger Falcons commodores, stock! I never said they wouldn't. Get over it people!

How mature of you. Do I need to point out exactly where you said they wouldn't? I've already quoted it above, but to make it more obvious, I've made it bold.

Both T3man and RSgerry have backed up what LuvinmyEB and I have said, and you're trying to have the last word without admitting that you may have been mistaken, sorry but if you're going to make statements like you have on a public forum, then people are going to tell you that you are mistaken, which is what has happened here. We are simply setting the record straight, and you seem to be refusing to admit that you may have been mistaken.

Originally Posted by RSgerry

mind you, i am sure you will find plenty of Escort owners in Vic who would be only too happy to help.

I'd be MORE then happy to, despite the fact that my Escort isn't running as well as it should, I know it would easily shame your EA, even if you had the 5 speed in it. But seeing as you said nothing in reply to LuvinmyEBs calder park challenge, I suspect you actually know an Escort will flog you and so won't step up to the challenge.

Some people obviously can't see when they are making themselves look stupid, lol! I hate to rain on your parade, but a stock falcon 6, no matter if it's auto or manual, isn't really a quick car to 100km/h.

Ok, now that we have that unpleasantness behind us, wikid_sticks, which part of Melbourne are you in, perhaps we could organise for you to have a ride in an Escort and see what you think. :eclipsee_

[Timmeh]

Play nice boys and girls!

Good to see all the offers for help though, a credit to yas.

Tim

[WIKIDSTIX]

im in perth : can you organise it over here??? :P

ok so what ive gathered so far is the escort is quicker but not as fast. the falcon will beat the escort down the mile, but the escort will have the lead at the start because they are quick. and they beat the falcon on conering because of the weight difference.

i can see where damo is comming from, but i can see where you guys are comming from, but then i think your all biast :P

i think ill settle this by saying, i think the escort would be cheaper and FUNNER to do up. if i did get the escort, im gonna try to fuel inject it, and put a small turbo on it, intercooler, bov, good extractors and exhaust, harden the suspension, capri brakes etc.. maybe i should drop an sr20/ ca18 det init :sm_drool:

i couldnt find out this, did any mk2's come out with lsd, whats the go with the strength of the diffs?

dan

[T3man]

No LSD unfortunately. An aftermaket Quaife unit will cost up to $2,000. The original diffs are OK but you can put the rear of a Capri in if you want a stronger diff and bigger rear brakes. The front brakes on the Capri and RS use the same size pads so no real benefit there. The Capri GT 3000 diff has a 3.22 ratio so is better for economy once you do the motor up. Also you can bolt the Sierra 5-speed box straight in to get overdrive - all the other ratios are unchanged. With mine I chose to use a Supra alloy case as they are lighter and have a lower 2nd gear. Takes away the big gap in the Ford box between 1st and 2nd.

Fuel injection is possible but will cost a motza. If you are plannig to turbo it I would go for straight LPG. Much cheaper for initial setup and also ongoing fuel costs.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Damn, nope, I can't drive all the way over to Perth for you to have a ride in my car, pity, anybody on here from the perth area willing to take Dan for a ride in their Escort to show them what it's all about?

Yes, I will admit I am biased, but it's not without some basis in reality. To me, there is more to life then driving in a straight line, and I'm sure other Escort owners will know what I'm talking about when I say an Escort is a lot more "chuckable" then a Falcon ever will be.

Your summary is spot on mate, the Falcon might have the higher top speed and finish the 1/4 mile quicker, but in every other aspect the Escort has the goods. So if you're after a 1/4 mile car, a Falcon is a better option, but if you want something that will be quick in day-to-day driving (0-100km/h, corners, etc.) then the Escort may be more your style.

I have done a lot of driving in a few Escorts (Mk I 1300XL, Mk II 1.6L, Mk II 2.0L), as well as a lot of driving in a series II EB GLi, and in my opinion, while the Falcon is the more comfortable car to drive for extended periods of time, it is nowhere near as fun to drive in a sporting manner. There is no way I would corner the way I occasionally do in my Escort (extremely late braking to scrub off only a little speed, full throttle around the corner) in a Falcon, in the Escort that's a recipe for fun, in a Falcon the same thing is a recipe for disaster.

The Escort will be cheaper, to a point, to do up, but there is a point where it starts becoming rather expensive, depends how far you want to take it. But it's like that with any car, the Escort is no different there really. But yes, the Escort would be cheaper then some other cars to do some mods to - put a decent exhaust, extractors and a nice cam in, won't cost you too much and will definately be a decent upgrade over a stock 2L, there will be a few other expenses involved with the cam, but nothing that will break the bank and for the performance increase, not to mention the awesome sound of a 2L with a good set of extractors bolted on, trust me, you would not regret a single cent of the money spent.

As has been said, no, the Escorts didn't come with an LSD (asides from the genuine Mk II RS1800s, but I seriously doubt you'll find one of those for sale at a decent price still with the original parts), and the diffs aren't too weak, as long as you're not subjecting them to 5 grand clutch dumps all the time and aren't trying to put 3 times the power of the original 2L engine through them. Basically, treat the drivetrain with some respect and it won't give you too much in the way of trouble in return.

So you're thinking of maybe doing something like this:


Mmmmm 2 litre EFI turbo... *drools* :

[WIKIDSTIX]

ohhhh thats what i want what is that EFI setup off?

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by wikid_sticks

ohhhh thats what i want what is that EFI setup off?

Looks good doesn't it? I think it could pass for a factory fitment. it looks so neat and tidy! Sorry, I don't know what that EFI setup is off, anybody else know?

[RSgerry]

i could be wrong, but the fuel injection could be off a Sierra. BTW, the Escort would still have enough to hold most Falcons over the quarter...it is just after that the falc catches up. unless it is a breathless 3.9 or an asthmatic 4.1 :-P